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right so lights camera action okay well

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um I think thanks for joining us today

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for our conference yeah my measure

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I was the Wrights agent for very

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well-known author called hands holster

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who had written over his lifetime he's

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not with us anymore about 49 books and

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I've went into Grenada publishing which

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was a subdivision of Granada television

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and latest paper based there

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subsequently now para HarperCollins

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which is a different group and I want in

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because I was involved in a documentary

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film that hands and I were making all

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those never made the screen it never got

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fully financed and there was a tabloid

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newspaper headline I believe it we

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should have son we said the world

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triangle and I will walk in with this

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newspaper with a view to incorporating

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as part of the film all I knew at that

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time was what was in the newspaper and

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the editor who was working with hands

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and eye on the book which was the new

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films which is another kind of UFO

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survey of that time I said that's that's

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a title that is a book in itself but

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wells triangle and he wrote me a check

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then under there for 7,000 pounds and

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says go to wells and write me at work

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and can you put a manuscript on my desk

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in six months entitled to wells triangle

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he was looking to have a competition to

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have a competitor to the premier to

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trial which was selling really well at

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that time so that was that involvement

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hands also wanted me to go to West West

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because he wanted all of the events

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which were then documented and were

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appearing in the newspapers to be part

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of the documentary film including the

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schoolchildren and everybody else so off

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I went and I made first win initial

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salty into

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the area it's covered in the book I

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think you I've detailed my my my journey

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down there and I've got to know a few

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people and then took a property for six

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months and I got very involved with all

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the witnesses spent a lot of time with

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them found other witnesses got involved

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with the the American oceanographic

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research station which of course was

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nothing civilian at all it is the

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military NATO submarine underwater

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surveillance facility and was tasked to

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find out what was going on you know in

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terms of their situation which they were

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very worried about and that's how the

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whole thing came about so do you want to

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ask any questions on that

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yeah you see you spent six months now

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was it six weeks what I think you know I

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can't really remember and it probably

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was longer I think it could have been it

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was Andrew I think it was under a year

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but over six months but I'm honestly

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can't remember it might even say in the

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book somewhere or even even if the

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latest book but it's all a bit oh it's a

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long time ago now I mean and you're

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going down there on the falls from

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February for this 40th anniversary and

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you know it's just amazing I think my

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god 14 years has gone by yeah this isn't

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it um this is one of the reasons why we

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we organized the event is to get people

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back together again and was you you were

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year and I can say we said well the

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latter half of 77 meeting people you

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were the man on the spotter you and

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Randall Jones Pugh did you say you know

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I never met he's not with us anymore now

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I never met him he had been involved of

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course heroes with dr. Lee and listen

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we're and I didn't even read that

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funny enough I it was the hardback I

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believe I don't know how many editions

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that's made but when I went down there I

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was a little bit behind the main

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journalist is quarry Avant

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one down there from the tabloids and you

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know how long the story last isn't dead

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wives it's not it's not very long before

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they move on to something else

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so I never met any of the journalists

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and I never met Randall Pugh and I just

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went down and made my own investigations

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from square one right all right okay

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well looking back in the Ethel I think

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you must be quite thrilled that you were

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there at the time because well in Welsh

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UFO history it's one of the main things

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one of the main events it certainly got

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into local legend and do you think ask

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you one question do you think that the

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high level of UFO reports at the time of

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this part Pembrokeshire do you think it

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was due to the military presence in the

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area by that I mean do you think the

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reports are attributable to aliens being

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interested in what was going on with an

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open mind as I said when I started off

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that mission I literally knew what was

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in the newspaper I knew what the the

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remit was from hands in America he was

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in New York and I didn't have any food

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perceptions as to what I would find

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after a very short while although the

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American oceanographic research station

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quote-unquote was supposed to be at that

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time 1976-77 whenever top-secret I very

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quickly established that that was in

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fact not a civilian facility at all it

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was headed up by an American Navy

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captain and the staff all had to wear

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civilian clothes they were allowed to

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drive the American cars if they even got

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a parking ticket they got shipped back

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to the United States in disgrace and the

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irony of course was that the Russians

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knew all about it I came across a to

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reports of a Russian submarine actually

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surfacing innocent brides Bay which is

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you know pretty good evidences the

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Russians were having their own bit of

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surveillance at the time and it was

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patient

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obvious after a while I couldn't detail

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too much in the world triangle that the

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activity focused on the supplied spray

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the broadly-based see which was used by

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the theory - as you know the Fleet Air

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Arm ok um one researcher called needle

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spring he's he wrote a novel called the

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Watchers based on everything was

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happening in Pembrokeshire at the time

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he's given me a couple of questions to

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ask you yeah he says in your book you

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made a number of claims but stack rocks

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and the facility you thought was based

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there did you ever make a boat trip out

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to the rocks no it's very treacherous

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tides and currents there I'm told by

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people who you know know those things in

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the area I did speak obviously to the

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witnesses who had seen things in the

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facility of cetera so we could go

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through that quickly

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the Coombs family's children had

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witnessed figures in in effect

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spacesuits the shore opposites that

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watched in the book there is a reference

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to the somehow the placing of a red box

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which was never found but the children

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very close to all of this came out in a

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very very severe and troublesome rash

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which nobody determined and all of them

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did and it was quite spontaneous whether

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this was in any terms there's some kind

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of radiation exposure or not we didn't

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determine and there is people including

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the Coons and her neighbor who I can't

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quite remember what her name was it's in

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the book but who were the mistake Hewson

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might be I couldn't confirm that and the

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coolest family were managers of that

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cattle part of the part of the Farm

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right on the earth but the overall

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estate manager was you know majoring

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poverty and then family and he wanted a

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husband if I recall what is it very

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quiet but the scene thought it was

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reflecting somehow adversely on on

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whatever and his wife reported a number

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of things to me personally and also to

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other people are thinking creating the

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pages occasionally and the Coombes have

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seen lights crowd going into stacked

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rocks now if obviously if you've stood

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opposite to that watch which I have it's

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very close to the shore actually you can

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see very clearly from the from the cliff

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there is no doorway there is no

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structure that you could say anything

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could have entered but this is not

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unusual that these technologies seem to

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be able to open up a space we've had as

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reported in detail in Mexico for one and

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also some reports in Puerto Rico where

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something opens and also parts of the

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United States where something opens up a

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craft or light goes in something closes

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up you cannot tell the difference it's

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not a mechanical situation it's some

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kind of change of the vibration of the

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matter so that they go through the rock

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into whatever's inside or down or

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whatever stops he's not very big

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just an outcrop and yeah a report that

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came in after after this was published

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was from the the people at the hotel

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there is it the hazel fall hotel that

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she had had a report from a diver a

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scuba diver who have been out there not

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for anything to do with what we were

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interested in we're just being out there

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and I've had apparently a very scary

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experience he he said here the

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underwater humming noise he saw a large

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trapdoor kind of open in the side of

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underwater on the on the raw and and

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Sapphira described in detail but

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something came out and how'd it go with

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him apparently

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or his his wetsuit and he was scared

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when he came ashore and restored a blind

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that he would never go back there again

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that he he thought it was it was a very

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dangerous thing that had happened to him

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and he really didn't have any

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explanation for it so all of these

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events and others have been in focused

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on stack rock which is more or less I

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stand to be corrected down the line of

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the runway the main run away at that

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yoges is just the other Sonia sink range

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major stuff well yeah um another

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question that Neil Offspring asks is

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know that the activities behind the

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oceanographic research station she

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mentioned on the clips have been

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Declassified have you altered any of

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your original conclusions no I was

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invited they have a facility which was

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on the surface it was a large collection

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of warehouses we had a really modern

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build very high-security when we went on

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when I was invited there I was assaulted

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by the military police because the base

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was still and in fact there was a

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division of signals which is code for

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intelligence British Army Intelligence

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was there and the report of military

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police has sorted me over another guy

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round and we could go anywhere at that

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time the surface facility had been

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completely cleaned out and SAS and was

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decommissioned and was sanitized

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although as I mentioned in this book I

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I went as with CEOs office and I've been

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a habit of rooting around and I pulled

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out a great cabinet a great family

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cabinet and it was a twist down there

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and there is a list of other quite

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secret US facilities in the United

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Kingdom there

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poor security III collected this

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subsequently later melded to the mo were

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made well melded to the appropriate

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office of the mo D say would you like to

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return this is about because I don't

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my thanks um as you've spent all Muslim

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the latter half of 77 in the area did

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you actually see anything

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I explained yourself I thought lights in

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the sky at some considerable distance

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which maneuvered rather unnaturally

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erratically I said I think in the books

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here I'd probably deal with what I call

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the main events I don't really bother to

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document or pay much attention to my to

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the sky because by definition there

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could be so many different things

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it's very difficult to pin that down so

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I attended just not even mention them no

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I never had any personal sniping so I

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did have these wonderful relationships

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with all of the main witnesses that we

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know of I've went to the school I

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interviewed the Louisville teacher I

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subsequently met the children and later

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much many years later when they'd grown

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up I met them again some of them who

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still maintained an interest and of

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course the people at the havenport hotel

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and the Coombs family and all of those

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other witnesses I think in this book

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here the worst triangle which is

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available from Amazon the second hand

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make it about 20 pounds I don't get any

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of that because it's just by dealers but

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I mean this will be republished by hours

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later of the year in a new edition with

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maybe a few updates but there is a

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mention I think you know I interviewed

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or basically had contact with 3,000

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people and I don't make these figures

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are you know I'm fairly diligent about

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facts and figures and you know it was

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continuous all the time I mean from

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Braden what cool you know low-level

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sightings like my own lights in the sky

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people have seen things on the ground

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people seeing beings on the ground there

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were some military contacts which I

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can't really mentioning this

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was was carefully how can I say

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delicately written and in fact that

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British children I believe I'm told

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bought up about seventy thousand of

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these and Bergman because my hand yeah

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there I am attributed for my dubious

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pleasures or technically closing the the

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American facility there he came under so

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much publicity although I think most it

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was from the newspapers not ready for me

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and when I went back for this tour of

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the the sanitized empty facility which

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they were interested in in finding only

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a commercial industrial useful though

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they wanted to flog you know if they

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could or lease it I was aware but he

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left of the whole the watchtowers and

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they had these you know security

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watchtowers with critical fences and

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things and I could see from the other

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facilities in the interior of the base

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that I wasn't allowed in because I had

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no no need to go there that there was

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indication to me of underground

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facilities you know to be quite frank I

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mean I don't think that's to secret

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there's obviously some underground

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facilities and some people have room

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which to me that in fact the the surface

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facility which was one reward to first

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strike from an aggressor had in fact

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simply gone underground and so that the

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facility there was on the edge of the

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base that they were trying to release

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off and find some commercially useful

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was was really decommissioned because it

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was technically vulnerable to not only

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electronic interference which I was

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investigating but also from from from a

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holistic attack and what were these

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physics in had gone underground

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I don't know that for a fact but I I

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think you could you could probably

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suspect that's very likely the case

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because all the cables came in from the

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microphones in the Atlantic Oh Martha

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Martha Martha out in the Atlantic and

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they all came in underground up the

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cliff and won't even obviously secure

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and into the base and so to move that to

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a more secure facility further into the

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base would not have been difficult

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certainly the the warehouses on the

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surface would have been a very easy air

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store

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for massage strike if he wanted he

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wanted to take them out yeah I'm getting

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down to the broad hidden primary school

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siting yeah and because the event that

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we've got on Saturdays he's been held in

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the village hall next to the yes quite

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fit today hmm no amazingly on the same

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day there was another school in Milford

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Haven wasn't it about twenty children

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saw something as Hubbardston

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primary student I don't know I think it

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was recorded I'll record it vaguely but

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I don't recall the exact details I

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didn't actually go to that school I did

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mention the Milton Hagen sightings and

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there were quite a few over the period

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of time which are very interesting and

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there was some activity in relation to

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that but I didn't go to that school

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I think thanks for joining us today for